False. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. And I have absolutely no sympathy. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. A spokesperson for Mr Tate told Mail Online that the 36-year-old was taken to a Romanian clinic because he was not allowed to be monitored by his chosen medical team in Dubai. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. Hoist by your own petard. 6 people named Andrew Katrinak found in Colorado, Pennsylvania and 3 other states. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Hege said Rorrer's baby is with her mother, Patricia Chambers of Lexington. What evidence is there she actually left the state? And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. 10:02, 3 Mar 2023; Updated 10:31, 3 Mar 2023; Controversial influencer Andrew Tate's medical . He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. You seem to have a fragile ego. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Did you personally attend the trial? After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. ``She sat me down and told me I would probably hear about it,' Myers recalled. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Rorrer was sentenced to two life sentences at the women's state prison in Muncy, Pennsylvania. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. ``As good as she is with people and animals, I just can't believe it.'. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. I dont think so. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Kurt Bresswein may be reached at kbresswein@lehighvalleylive.com. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Find lehighvalleylive.com on Facebook. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). The additions come as KFC recently removed some menu items, including wings, popcorn chicken and cookies, to make room for new additions. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. All Filters. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Glenn Myers, 50, who stabled Rorrer's horses in Tyro, said she was a loving horsewoman and mother. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? "His wish is to attend a prearranged consultation in Dubai . With Andrew unwilling or unable to pay the going rate, likely to be thousands of pounds per week, Charles has decided to kick the Sussexes out of the five-bedroom Frogmore Cottage and offer the keys to his younger brother, who is resisting. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Very similar. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? You have permission to edit this article. Police obtained samples of her blood and hair, and a microscopic examination revealed similarities to hair found at the crime scene. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? It makes me sick. The charges: two counts of kidnapping and two counts of murder. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Pal stays true. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). She definitely did it. Despite his detention, he continues to enjoy the support of his millions of online followers. A woman convicted in the 1994 murders of a Catasauquawoman and the victim's 3-month-old son was back in court on Tuesday. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? ANDREW Tate has complained "they won't let me leave" in another whinge from prison after claiming he is suffering from a "serious health condition". He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. KOREAN WAR Son of Martin & Theresa (Novotney) Katrinak and husband to Veronica B. Byrd Jr. of the Davidson County Sheriff's Department. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. The bodies of the mother and son were found in April 1995 in a rural, wooded area 15 miles from home. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Davidson County Sheriff Gerald Hege said it was a case of fatal attraction. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. (A good point. ``She told me she was praying about it.'. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. One on one? Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? 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Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). Several years ago, Jost's teenage son, Steven, helped Rorrer in her part-time job as a child photographer. Court records show she is incarcerated in the Lehigh County Jail. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. More hairs there. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Find Andrew Katrinak's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Theodore Kohuth, the baby on top of the dead mother. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Jealousy was the motive. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Incriminating words. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Prince Andrew is refusing to leave his home at Royal Lodge and instead is demanding a mansion "fit for a King", according to royal sources. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Meticulous primping. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. The evidence was all there. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. This isn't Rorrer's first brush with the law. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Username. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. 4 Matches for Andrew Katrinak . And Patricia did live in another state. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. I noticed quite a few errors myself. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. Copyright 2023 PeekYou.com. So, lets take your response one step at a time. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? The Duke of York appeared cheerful when . Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. This article is little more than fiction. Especially mice! Police slowly built a case against Patricia. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. She will be taken to Pennsylvania today to face trial. What a lame article. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Andrew Katrinak reported missing his wife, Joanne and 3.5-month-old son, Alex, in December 1994. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? American mom living in Paris mesmerizes internet after revealing the VERY surprising after-school snack kids eat in France. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Whatever the truth is. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Your email address will not be published. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Hashtags such as #FreeTopG and references to Matrix opposition have flooded social media since the influencers arrest in December. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Beautifully said Cliff! King Charles is planning to cut the Duke's annual . Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Animals would have for sure. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. Its never been made clear. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. ``The lady had a lot of contacts around the country from her horse trading business, and she very well could have disappeared.'. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. It was just assumed to be crib death. Stable situation. DNA also doesnt lie. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. 'Once you sign up, you do what you're told': Duke of Sussex tells trauma expert Gabor Mat 'a lot of us' in the Army 'didn't necessarily agree or disagree' with the West's invasion of Afghanistan but did 'what you're trained to do', Duke of York is currentlyrefusing to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Windsor Lodge, He proposed torun the Royal Estates, including late mother's beloved Balmoral, he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Am I missing something? And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Thank you and well said. . Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). The real killer is Rorrer! The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017.