i heart sheck wrote: You judge that we are judging him, when the truth is it was his board who judged him and found him guilty as heck. You got that right, MLD is probably 300 lbs., sitting on a big leather sofa eating popcorn as he writes, with three cats purring around him, while his wife yells from the other room, get off the computer and take the trash out as he answers in a moment, I gotta write one more thing, I have no sympathy for adulterers, may they rot in hell! And then he prays to himself, Thank you God that I am not like that Bob Coy!. Thank you for the many years you have pastored Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, through your words and Gods grace my husband got saved. I dont know anything about John Hagee (I dont watch TV), and as for Chuck Missler, I never listened to him. Just saying. Adultery creates a ripple effect that grows outward and touches so many lives not just the two involved and it takes two willing participants to maintain. If I was a new believer ( and Im not, its been 40 years) I would run fast, away from this apparent hate tank if I thought this was the body because thats what this has become- a hate tank. Sharon is still a strong and encouraging leader for her firefighting unit despite the sadness of losing her daughter in a car accident involving her son Bode. The root of Calvary's problems, critics say, lies in its unique structure. 13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and they that harass Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. Im sorry you have experienced the pain you described and hope the best for you. Is your information reliable? Michael- The attacks you are receiving remind me of the attacks I got when I was at that church attempting to do good. My step-dad CC pastorsame dynamic in play. There are lots of passages, verses, and phrases that require a spectrum of thought as opposed to a specific non-negotiable position. [5] It is acclaimed as one of the great expressions of automotive customization. , Now, using your best effort, not to be like us and not being consistent, in denying the literal aspects of scripture and have to do exegetical gymnastics and use pretzel logic to try to prove their conclusions that the Bible does not mean what it says,- as you said. I think this must be the 3rd curse I am under this year already. I just want to be clear to many of the old timers here. It would be good to listen to her insight. Cant seem to wonder if Pastor Clay knew something and that is why he resigned the end of last year. No sin overtakes us, except what is common to man. No there are not. The fact that this is a family-oriented show is one of the aspects that contributes to the shows overall depth, and we dont want to see that aspect altered in the least. High profile and untouchable positions can only lead to catastrophic collapse like this. All folks pretty much have a good sense of right and wrong whether or not they are saved by an evangelical gospel construct. My sources (multiple) are accurate. My heart has been so heavy since I heard of this. When my Bible says that WHOSOEVER WILL BELIEVE IN HIM will not perish but have everlasting life then anything else is garbage! One problem with doing research, particularly through the internet search engines, is that you will find whatever you are looking for. But this situation hurts my heart so much. Bob, Anons #472 is absolutely true. Get your own. Mary! The less-er donors got a buffet lunch. who can be objective and NOT tell people to just forgive. None are anointed in this age, none are special, none are transformed in a practical sense. The church still claims about 20,000 members, and on a recent Wednesday night, thousands of them poured in for a service led by Pastor Sauder, Coy's replacement. 1828 edition of Websters. I can document that. Im not accountable to you for my sin. RiBo, I hope this will eventually lead to full media exposure of your step-dads alleged molestation of your brother and abuse of you, as well as CCs gross negligence in endorsing him to this day. I hadnt heard of any in my 30 years attending CC starting with CCCM in 1976 when I came to Christ. Jesus Christ, the living Word, became flesh through His miraculous conception by the Holy Spirit and His virgin birth. These teachings which give rise to anti-Semitism and go against Gods word which says, I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, then yes that is garbage! If our practice (fruit) is sinful, does that not cast question upon our doctrine? How can we middle aged women compete with an image of a physically perfect 25 year old? Hey 99.9% of guys do or they are lying! Hey , Martin Luthers disciple, You might be better off being a disciple of Jesus ! Why hasnt it been called adultery?? It is not material at this point whether anyone was complicit or the Moses model created this situation. I cant tell you how many employees would be afraid to speak up about ANYTHING going on in both the church and the school because they were afraid to lose their job or position! hat happened to Sharon? Lastly, it is time that the church look not to men yet to God. His picture is in every one of your posts. BC is not a victim he is a victimizer. one more thing. I am a crazy renewal charismatic and a covenant theologian but NOT a Calvinist. For the mature in Christit shows how the solid food does you well.please pray for all involved as you are doing. Youre boorish behavior reflects poorly on the myriad of folks who are supportive of the Coy family and the value or validity of the teaching ministry he had. Scumbag needs a good beating for destroying the lives of so many. @MartinLuthersdisciple I have no sympathy for the adulterer. Thank you for posting the info about the 2:30 pm meeting. Coy is exposed for his moral situation. He was the son of Joe Gibbs, a five-time NASCAR Cup Series championship winning owner and Pro Football Hall of Famer. What's wrong with the House of Bishops' proposed same-sex prayers? Peace. CCFtl was the only Bible based church for miles. 87 . As spring breakers poured into Fort Lauderdale to bong beers, he set up "The Recovery Room" at the Jolly Roger motel, where he offered live music, first aid, and of course Evangelical literature. The infallible Word of God, the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments, is a complete and unified witness to Gods redemptive acts, culminating in the incarnation of the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ. You mean like Jesus was a bull in a china shop and came in and turned over the money changers and made a whip and judged that which did not belong in the house of God, just like these false doctrines that contradict Gods word, do not belong in the church of God, dead doctrines that reveal themselves in the festering fruit, Ive been to these reformed churches Calvanist churches, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Reformed Episcopalian, etc, and for the most part are stiff with doctrinal rigor mortis, so its readily apparent why Satan has injected these doctrines early on into the church, as you see the ineffectual fruit if produces. Coy is friendly and voluble, but his lively green eyes suddenly brim with tears when he's asked about the sexual assault claims. It hasnt and will never happen. Gary #633. BD, how can you say youre not a Calvinist and yet stand idly by while they pervert the scriptures and negate the truth and promises of God, sounds like youve been brainwashed by 600 years of lies! Especially two in particular in my personal circles. However, if the Pastor fails, I am called to be forgiving and cut him slack. This is the church were talking about. The self-proclaimed Zig Ziglar of rap, Billy Delgado, is a Music Producer/Artist and Writer by day and sleeping pillow-drooler by night. We will all disappoint others, we all sin, but Christ will always be there for us and will never let us down. E, my atheist friends know right from wrong. Thankfully, this isnt my first rodeo. Derek I blame cheating not on power and authority but on mans dual nature and non-transformed salvation. So what your all saying is your stronger than samson, you love God more than David and your wiser than Solomon. Christians, beware of the deadly doctrines of Calvinism/dominionism. I am curious about when men have this happen to them (especially if theyre caught as opposed to confessing) if there are other issues that need to be looked at? The way we are transformed is by accepting the Rest that remains. No one is perfect, thats why we are just human flesh. One more thing, Lorenzo, thats a pretty good article. All. God is able to do that. MLD- Jesus wasnt literal and theres no book in your hand. So where do you attend church? NO man is perfect! The church was more concerned with non-believers.. come as you are to meet Jesus than protecting their own sheep. Maybe God never intended for Bob to have the mega church, Bob has said many times publically he would rather has a small congregation of true believers than thousands of people playing church. What about them? He can immediately be restored to God. He was telling them that real actions in the Christian life work on your spirit. Become a member to support the independent voice of South Florida Sharon saw her father going through it firsthand. http://www.calvaryftl.org/calvary-blog/statement-regarding-bob-coy/. How is it bogus? Our loyalty is to Jesus Christ. I did. and going to Heaven! But Newnham says the pastor still has more to answer for especially because his sources say Coy has been trying to mobilize investors to start a new church. Join together in prayer for Pastor Bob Coy and his family! Ixtlan, Yes I completely understand this. dont condemn someone on rumors. Neo Coral Ridge does not the same doctrinal position as CCFL. "We need answers.". Coy, who was never charged with a crime, lay low after leaving Calvary but recently turned up at Boca Raton's Funky Biscuit, where he helps manage the club. The enemy is now going to go to work and use this to do precisely what I see going on in this blog. . {P} , , , - , , , . Which is precisely why Im questioning you. They dealt with BC finally, but apparently (alleged) child abusers can be overlooked. I like the blog I posted because they are not calling it moral failings but adultery-which is what the Bible calls it. It has nothing to do with the Bible. Dusty, no, Steve will tell you theres nothing but good fruit and clear skies and smooth sailing. ALL in South Florida. Itll continue, itll just be a lot smaller taking in a lot less money than pre-moral failure, 807 you never proved anything that you claimed which is rumoured to be false. Someone needs to tell so many of the poor men with ordinary jobs I have known throughout life who cheated anyways that they were breaking a stereotype. Actually that is not in the Bible a humorous mistake for a literalist. Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit adultery. Other verses you should delve into are Leviticus 20:10 , Proverbs 6:32 , Matthew 19:9, Lets Look at Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. if youre wondering if Sharon is dead. MLD, Acts 2 has nothing to do with Revelations description of the 1000 years. Coy rented space for his church from a funeral parlor in Oakland Park and made ends meet by selling shoes while his wife worked as a waitress. The problems you have had our probably gossip and busy bodying. Where did you ever get the idea that the millennium was to be disneyland?? That is Calvary Chapels biggest failure, an arrogant view of the Pastor and his ability to be Jesusand its made worse when the congregants know this and still support a flawed leadership model that is a corrupting force among the Pastors in Calvary Chapel. Charles Ward SmithJune 25, 1927 Ventura, California, U.S. October 3, 2013 (aged 86) Newport Beach, California, U.S. Join Facebook to connect with Diane Coy and others you may know. If you answered yes to all 7 questions you are a Preterist Scripture denying Calvinist! But since the binding of Satan, the word has gone all over the word. And my Bible says for God so loved THE WHOLE WORLD Sorry no tulip there! Anonymous you mean CCFtl being Pre? I actually have a lot of experience in having to deal with unwanted attention from married men both at work and at church. Im sure he sins just like the rest of us. . When confronted with his sin he stepped down, he could have fought it or refused to step down as many have, but he didnt. If I was a Calvinist I would still punch you in the blog-mouth with your silliness. He has been the father and leader of a house. There was too much drama with Kennedys passing at Coral Ridge. Andy, I will not play your game. So 100 percent of all complaints should be at those in church leadership who leaked the news. @pierreduelz The duration of absence from leadership should be commensurate with the size of the flock he shepherded and the duration of the corruption.. We need to have discernment these days otherwise many shall be deceived. one more bad guy to add to the never ending. They were expecting it. You said you werent CC, and didnt know B Coy, but now your motive is clear, so youve been lying all along. Coy's flock, which had followed him for decades as the church became Florida's largest, was devastated. That is actually their responsibility. We had our home broken into, my husbands car damaged, my SUVs lug nuts loosened on one wheel where I could have had an accident, unknown men sat in front of our house stalking us, we had a hangmans noose placed in our tree, and while moving under the cover of night (in the same city) we where discovered within hours of where we had moved. Yes or no. And since you have it all sorted out there is no reason for anyone to talk to you about it. We arent really transformed in a manner any different than Mormons or Atheists or others who make a decision to be more or less moral in our lives. In fact, I personally believe in a good and loving God who will forgive all his enemies in the endof which we are all enemies of God as well as his children. As per the recent report, his net worth is $ 5 million. Or worse yet, intentionally sinning with the attitude of easy grace for themselves, but holding the congregation to a higher standard. This is the first resurrection. They told me about some others they knew who were part of the less prestigious meals. I came to this blog long ago aghast that things negative were being said about CC. There is obviously far more to the story that I dont have sufficient verification on. MLD, no point in debating anything with you. Lets wait and see how many he harassed and pressured. Sin is sin regardless and it seperates us from Him. Those so easy to forgive-and basically take him back tomorrow if they could many are already in ministry there and climbing the $ ladder there and now that he is gone they are able to cut a bigger slice of the pie for themselves. STOP SPREADING GOSSIP PLEASE. Wow, Michael does have some standards, so thats what it takes, not gossip and slander and outright fabrications, but some foul language to wrap up the crap thats being dished out here! I understand your reaction as a visitor. Flynn, what else have you learned from Chuck Missler and your Schofield Bible? Im just trying to figure out why Michaels on the take. Hugh, Yeah, I agree completely with Neo, You really, really need a hug. all speculation your honor. Like what he made his own brother do? #325 Is that Biblical? . When he made them laugh he had them. not being married doesnt answer the question, thats why i said fornication, or do you feel that if youre not married you can sleep with someone without being married, also when was the last time you viewed pornography?.remember lying is a sin! Did you commit adultery with them? He resigned he was not fired! Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Sin nature is pervasive no matter who you are in church culture. I dont have time to comment much, but let me clear up a couple of things. If that board doesnt see evidence of Bob relinquishing his power over this injured and vulnerable group of people in Ft Lauderdale and beyond, then they will have no choice but to release enough of the details to protect the Body from a fallen pastor who has no idea how dangerous he is to a people he claims to have loved. Now the Holy Spirit is prompting me to pray for him and all of a sudden, the anger has been replaced by compassion. Two of my three children still struggle with doubt in their faith and I can not believe our experience didnt have something to do with it. Again, shout it to the masses when its other peoples sins like gay marriage etcor make assistant pastors go before the church and confess (Bob Grenier did that stuff)but grace and mercy and lets give the family their privacy etc when its the Senior Pastors turn to face the music. you can sit in your home, not spend a dime and the world of sex is at your fingertips. And so if you cant read shall reign with him 1000 years as shall reign with him 1000 years, that is your personal issue. Frankly, they have been the source of the majority of the venom but I think most of us realize these are people in a sort of shock at the news, who are hurting and whose trust has been violated and are lashing out. 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. And prior to my outcries there was at least an additional decade of no accountability for the same sins. This church has operated as BC was the end all be all. 16 And there shall be a highway for the remnant of His people, that shall remain from Assyria, like as there was for Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt. For weeks we have had to listen to bozos saying that we are hypocrites for saying certain unmentionable behavior is wrong while not dealing with this type. This is called evangelical repentance, and is accompanied and followed by amendment of life. BC did not write his sermons as I understand it. In his 1973 senior class portrait, his dark hair, parted neatly down the middle, hangs well past his shoulders. The only thing that covers ALL of us who are fallen to begin with is the Blood of The Lamb of God which was shed at Calvary and that covers Pastor Bob right now too ! CC has produced a lot of strong Christian leaders but if the wound one might carry had left a scar that is so spiritually disfiguring that it would prevent personal growth then I would agree dont return there but please seek somewhere else. Bob Coy is very intimidating and you cannot cross him. The church clearly did not think this. I dont care if its Billy Graham, Chuck Smith or John Calvin himself who came back from the dead if they should appear and teach contrary to the word of God, they are to be rejected. "I was brought up in a very religious, traditional Midwestern home," he told Ed Stetzer, a Wheaton College professor, in a 2013 interview for a video series. Over the years he and other associate pastors hired family members and close friends. Please dont forget them in your prayers that God will put godly counselors in their paths to help them with their pain, their fear, and more than likely their doubt in their own faith. Oh now its inappropriate!!! Bob did this, not me. MLD, I answered you already, in 688, like I answered your baptism error with the house of Cornelius yesterday. I may have forgotten the exact amount but it was somewhere between 3,500.00 and 5,000.00. 3. So he led the people through the Port of New Orleans and up the Mississippi River to St Louis in what began the LCMS. 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Time will tell. I have read here for many years, but only post occasionally. Sorry Michael force not biting my tongue harder and spoiling your thread. I should have welcomed you to the site and clarified your thoughts before firing one over your bow. I think this is your passage HUGH. It is a pretty open forum with some troubled and offensive types, but also many who have learned through experience to get things into perspective. Its always awful, no matter the denomination or the size of the congregation. The guilty person must be reprimanded publicly to generate remorse that may lead to his repentance. He resigned. MLD, we are listening to the apostles. I myself am a disciple of Jesus, so read what he said not what Luther said: 15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Ill be blunt. I disagree with him on many points, but I will not slander him. Michael can you confirm the involvement of Bob Barnes as someone who was instrumental in all this coming to light? 6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The earthly issue? I want to see for myself. I can just throw out stuff also. Im not going to Judge anybody, the behavior is absolutely wrong but Pastor Coy is still one of Gods Children , you loose your fellowship with Him until you truly repent and change course but you do not loose your salvation, that would make Jesus a failure and that my friend is Impossible, no one can take His sheep from his hand. Regardless of what Bob has done, that should not interfere with our relationship with God, we have to stand strong in our faith and love for Him. You judge that we are judging him, when the truth is it was his board who judged him and found him guilty as heck. It began when the girl was just 4 years old. Sounds typical. Whether you are a participant in CCFL or not, the bigger picture here is that Pastor Bob is not Jesus! Pastor Bob was my pastor for 20 years, and my heart is broken. I actually do not answer yes to all your questions. On another note, are we also praying for those women with whom he had affairs? Lorenzo #483. Stop this! Why? I responded previously, and he chose to keep my answers out, I guess MN is a Calvanist and I was profaning his sacred cow! If you want to play silly games it will not last long.